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Originally posted by gypsy69
Hotpe, good evening to you.
Sorry about your reality experience this morning. Sounds to me like you should have stayed home this morning and watched Robert De niro's movie, "Dirty Grandpa".
Here are just a few of my observations to your side of the story with the 4 woman and their dogs. I apologize in advance if you don't agree with how I see the situation or encounter as I really don't know exactly "where" you were when the incident happened. My Puna Edumacation sees your Sunday morning incident like this.
1) The 4 ladies were probably pretty smart to have their dogs with them just in case some old creep or young group of guys decided to get "stupid".
2) You should not have brought out your can of mace and threatened their dogs unless one of them did bite or attack you.
3) You probably didn't need to point out the obvious sign regarding the dogs needing to be on leashes after just threatening the ladies dogs with mace.
4) Also, You did not need to threaten the 4 woman any further by saying you would call the police.
5) The police are very busy in Puna these days. You probably did not have to exaggerate your side of the dog experience by telling the police "the dogs would most likely bite someone if an officer did not speak to the woman". The fact is, The dogs did not bite you and you came within 30 feet of them and raised a can of mace upon them.
6) One who carries mace or a gun is more likely to find a way to use it or justify the use afterwards.
7) Had the dog or dogs actually bit or attacked you. Then the police could have made sure those over protective dogs were kept on leashes in the near future. Instead though, The woman will probably just continue to let their dogs roam free in that area and chalk this incident up as a close encounter with a real creep or jerk from the mainland. jmo's
HOTPE, Tomorrow is a new day and we are all blessed to live here in Puna.
To preface this post, you are never,
ever "pretty smart" to have your dog not on a leash. You are, in fact, being
extremely dumb if you have your dog not on a leash. I don't care what a little angel he or she is or how small, they are an animal. Animals respond to sudden stimuli in more primal ways than humans, fight or flight. A pet which has never so much as growled at you will, in fact, bite a stranger defensively if they hear a loud noise and a stranger is unfortunately nearby. Even if you have prior experience with your pet, and loud noises, and being around strangers, that still doesn't mean you can let your dog off the leash. in that prior experience, your dog was obviously collected enough not to bite someone. You can't guarantee that in the future with any degree of certainty.
Gypsy, if that woman's dog had bit HOTPE, have you ever looked at dog bite cases? It's really cut and dry when the dog isn't on a leash. It shows clear and obvious negligence. If we are going to use the word "stupid" then let's not be stupid, here. A dog bite can maim and permanently scar a person for life.
The resulting lawsuit is not only just, because people are legally and morally obligated to prevent their dogs from biting people, it's also not cheap for the person getting sued. If that woman didn't have any money, then HOTPE could press criminal charges and she would go to jail, again, something she would deserve. You are completely responsible for your pet, that includes their behavior. So, those dogs getting sprayed by mace would actually be the least damaging response. In the hypothetical that HOTPE
didn't spray that dog with mace and
did get bit, then the woman would suffer far worse consequences.
That woman should have apologized immediately to HOTPE for the dogs extremely aggressive behavior, when HOTPE did nothing to deserve that behavior. I am also
disturbed by the fact that you seem to think it's okay for a human being to get bit by a dog, but not for a human being to defend themselves against a dog.
HOTPE stopped at 30 feet away and the dog came barking and snarling running up to him. That is a clear threat. Oh, also, don't fake apologize, Gypsy. I'm pretty sure most people here know you're not really sorry if someone here doesn't agree with how you see the situation. To add to that, don't insult* people, and then talk about new days and blessings in the very next line. Honestly, that's gross behavior. Do one or the other, but not both.
Oh yeah, I'm also getting really tired of this stupid racist crap. We're all human. We all get to walk the same paths. The end.
*You called HOTPE a "Creep or jerk"