Sign waving Rally at Hilo Air. Tues. 9-19 3-5pm

[punaticbychoice]

HOTPE @ 08:52:55-
Good one!
LOL.[8D]

[Wao nahele wahine]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge


Anchor inflatable (or floating) whale decoys along the route we desire helicopters to fly. They'll look real enough to the tourists at the minimum altitude copters are required to fly.

Get the county involved. Add a whale tax for helicopters and tour boats to maintain the decoys. Could even hire county workers to sit inside, when a helicopter approaches they can switch on a pump and firehose nozzle hooked up the the "spout."

The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?

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This might create a few more jobs...whale spouter. Not to be confused with whale spotters.

Wahine

[MarkP]

There was never any question about whether they could fly over the ocean. The question is whether that is a reasonable part of conducting business for them. There's nothing stopping you from mowing my lawn either. When will you be by?

[kalakoa]

There's nothing stopping you from mowing my lawn either. When will you be by?

For $250/hour, any time you want.

[leilanidude]

But they are doing it. If they want. So it's clearly possible, which means objections to an ocean flight path are BS.
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You keep missing the details - they cannot fly so far out if they cannot make it back to land in the event of a power failure. That is why they hug the coastline.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The question is whether that is a reasonable part of conducting business for them
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For $250/hour, any time you want.

Our Monday morning lesson in a minimally regulated free market.

The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?

[kalakoa]

they cannot fly so far out if they cannot make it back to land in the event of a power failure

It could safely be said that we're all missing the point.

Reality is: anywhere the helicopters fly will be "near someone's house".

The only difference is: unlike a composting facility, neither County nor State can regulate the helicopters.

Even if they could: nobody is going to interfere with "tourism revenue".

Thought experiment: if the composting facility were a tourist attraction at $250/visit, would anyone be able to stand in the way of it being built?

[My 2 cents]

Reality is: anywhere the helicopters fly will be "near someone's house".

Perhaps this is true, but relocating the heliport could substantially reduce this. The responses to this so far have been that the tourists enjoy violating our privacy...er...viewing our properties from above. And if this is the main reason for not relocating, then the flights over our houses are not just an incidental byproduct of us living under the flight path to and from the viewing area. We ARE the viewing area. Therefore, aren't we entitled to royalties? Precedent: Don't they pay the parks for the same privilege?

[MarkD]

Reality is: anywhere the helicopters fly will be "near someone's house".

There are a lot of natural areas with no houses, but there is some truth to this. Which is why helicopters are so fundamentally different than cars and buses (a topic that came up when I raised my "elitist" argument.) Cars and buses are relegated to roads, excepting some 4-wheelers. There are regulations, strict in most places, on off-road vehicles for several reasons. (Some folks inexplicably still seemed hesitant to accept the basic distinction between flying and driving.)

Helicopters' capacity to go anywhere, with varying degrees of noise, depending on elevation, is what makes them such a nuisance. A key element in judging whether the nuisance is excessive is the number of flights per day.

And to anticipate an argument likely to be raised, a fair number of folks live on long private driveways or in isolated neighborhoods. Despite the fact that there is a road to their house, and theoretically they could be bothered by traffic, they do not have much (or any) traffic bothering them.

Which is how they want it. But there are annoying helicopters in the airspace above.

[mermaid53]

quote:

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

pilots will take flights over the ocean if whales are visible

Anchor inflatable (or floating) whale decoys along the route we desire helicopters to fly. They'll look real enough to the tourists at the minimum altitude copters are required to fly.

Get the county involved. Add a whale tax for helicopters and tour boats to maintain the decoys. Could even hire county workers to sit inside, when a helicopter approaches they can switch on a pump and firehose nozzle hooked up the the "spout."

The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?

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LOL! You outdid yourself on this one HOTPE! Love it!