East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka ,

[Guest]

So you are actually incapable of providing a cogent, meaningful answer to the question, and, instead, offer up this tripe.^^^^ Got it!!

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Originally posted by TomK

"What difference what the cause of the change is, natural, man made, or, more-realistically some of each, the change amounts to the same. Like a ship's wake in a sea full of waves, and in similar proportions.
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I don't think I have ever read such nonsense before. A ship's wake can't compare with the weather that produces large waves.

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I'll try to explain it again.

Ships cause waves, but compared to the pre-existing nature-caused waves, they are almost nothing. Compare that to global warming, almost all natural, but, perhaps, some tiny amount might be caused by man. Inconsequential when compared to the natural climate change - just like the waves caused by ships compared to those caused by natural causes.

That is correct, just like man-made warming can't compare with the natural climate change that goes on continuously.

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[Lodestone]

It's interesting to watch the story evolve. A few years ago, it was

"Temperatures are not rising!",

then

"Temperatures appear to be rising but that's cuz fake data".

Next, it was

"OK, OK, temperatures are definitely rising but that sort of thing happens every 100,000 years or so and it's just COINCIDENCE that happened when all those scientists said it would."

And now we have arrived at

"OK, OK, OK, carbon dioxide DOES cause warming but JUST A WEE BIT. It's mostly nature, of which we know naught."

And here it shall remain. No matter how hot it gets, this line of reasoning will suffice for many. You cannot win an argument when your opponent is incapable of acknowledging defeat.

[Rob Tucker]

Quit hijacking the topic please ot I will lock it up....

and Open-d..... lay of the heavy quoting.

Assume the best and ask questions.

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[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Some updates on East Island.

The destruction of East Island has caught scientists* off guard, with implications hinting that climate change could happen faster than their previous and most adverse projections. Hurricane Walaka was a rare storm that formed in the mid-Pacific, which is why it was designated with a Hawaiian name. The hurricane was also unusual in how far north it traveled. Neither of these broader parameters for hurricanes in our area bode well for the main Hawaiian Islands should this prove a trend:

Kosaki said researchers have long known that low-lying islets, such as East Island, would gradually be swallowed by rising sea levels, but had expected the process to happen slowly over the next 100 years.

What happened to East Island is a “wake-up call,” Kosaki said. Scientists may not only have to address the problems stemming from rapid changes in the natural world sooner, but “perhaps in much more severe form than we were anticipating,” he said.


The affects of Hurricane Walaka on monk seals and green turtles is unknown at this time, but it's not a simple matter of finding another island:

The question is whether the turtles and seals, both of which retain strong ties to where they were born and often return to the same place to breed themselves, can continue to adapt — and right now Littnan said the answer isn’t clear.

“Change might come so fast and so hard, like East Island disappearing, that no species is going to have that level of resilience.”

East Island Wiped Out - Washington Post

* Scientists who study these events over decades and hemispheres, not who once saw a fox in an airport

[Rob Tucker]

Since we can't do much to bring East Island back I guess we can just wish the turtles and monk seals good luck.

I would rather bet on nature in this situation than man.

[Carey]

There is still a very small sand islet left, & a number of monk seals were seen on this small bit of sand... unfortunately for many of the species that utilized East Island, they have strong homing instincts that may mean a much denser population of animals will still try to utilize the very precarious remnant of East Island...
At this point, any argument of the cause, OTHER than the known Cat 5 storm surge & impact, is speculation. East Island is not the first NW Hawaiian Island to disappear in the last few decades, & loss of lagoon islands is a part of being at the end of a subduction chain.... but it was thought to have been able to survive a few more decades....

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

...but it's not a simple matter of finding another island:

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Unless there is enough left of that island to serve the needed purpose, then there is no other option than simply finding another island - unless extinction or the like is an "option". I have faith in nature. Her island, her storm, her animals and her solution.

I tried to minimize the quoting.
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[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Her island, her storm, her animals and her solution.

Our CO2.
Tons & tons & megatons...

"The great mystery is that such a state may be one of utter happiness, as it provides opinions concerning things, but no knowledge of the things themselves.” - Marguerite Young

[Guest]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

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Hi, Jack.

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