Sen Kahele and his Tmt flip flop lol

[snorkle]

Danno speculates:

"Hes stupid enough to slit his own throat politically, knowing 70 % of his constituents disagree with his feelings about removing TMT and STEM from The Big Island"

More absurdity

Kai has never indicated anything about removing STEM education from the Big Island. Your absurdity is implying that being anti-TMT means one is anti-STEM, or anti-science. That's like saying that being against spraying poison on crops is being anti-agriculture.

As far as "money for education and scholarships" Please cite; I work with a public school STEM program here and there are absolutely zero funds provided by the telescope community. They do send an outreach team around occasionally with a nice science demonstration, thank you, but our STEM budget is derived from DOE and grants.

Instead of the promise of future funding, maybe the TMT stakeholders would be better served by starting their monetary support now.

[glinda]

Your absurdity is implying that being anti-TMT means one is anti-STEM, or anti-science. That's like saying that being against spraying poison on crops is being anti-agriculture.

Oh but that is the general consensus. If you are anti anything hereabouts then you are anti-science. It's a proven fact, so say all of our TMT enthusiast who come out in droves whenever anyone says anything anti whatever.

And, if you listen to them tell it, the entire STEM program is financed by the TMT folks. By their telling one would be surprised, down right floored, to learn there was STEM funding from anywhere else. So please, keep your blasphemy to yourself!

[TomK]

snorkle wrote:

"As far as "money for education and scholarships" Please cite; I work with a public school STEM program here and there are absolutely zero funds provided by the telescope community. They do send an outreach team around occasionally with a nice science demonstration, thank you, but our STEM budget is derived from DOE and grants.

Instead of the promise of future funding, maybe the TMT stakeholders would be better served by starting their monetary support now."

June 19th 2018:

"To date, TMT has funded $4 million to the THINK Fund benefiting Hawai'i Island students and teachers with $900,000 in an endowment to fund STEM education on Hawai'i Island far into the future."

https://www.hawaii.edu/news/2018/06/19/t...olarships/

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Instead of the promise of future funding, maybe the TMT stakeholders would be better served by starting their monetary support now.

Is $1 million so far enough? From a previous thread:

“TMT is the primary funder of the Akamai Internship Program with $320,000 committed for the 2019 summer program. TMT also provides staff in Hilo and Pasadena to mentor interns. TMT has supported the Akamai Internship Program since 2009 and contributed a total of nearly $1,000,000 towards developing a skilled Hawaii STEM workforce.”
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/01/03/...fect-them/

“You can’t talk sense to someone who makes no sense.” - Sen Mazie Hirono 1/24/19

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

TMT has supported the Akamai Internship Program since 2009 and contributed a total of nearly $1,000,000 towards developing a skilled Hawaii STEM workforce.”

If after reading that you think to yourself, I had no idea the TMT was funding keiki education on the Big Island even before the telescope is built, then you might also wonder why? Is it because the people making the most noise drown out the people who in fact make the largest contribution to our island's future?

[PaulW]

If Senator Kahele is now pro-telescope, then I am now pro-Senator Kahele. I think it's admirable when someone learns from their mistakes.

[dan d]

For Paul and those to lazy to read Andrews a darker view blog an excerpt.



HB1067 Prohibits any development on conservation lands of the Mauna Kea summit at 6,000 feet above sea level and higher.
SB905 Requires the lessor of a master lease for public land to receive reasonable compensation.
SB916 Requires that the board of land and natural resources make certain determinations before approving public land dispositions. Restricts the board of land and natural resources from approving the disposition of public lands under certain circumstances
SB918 Limits the term of certain public land leases, including any extensions, to no more that thirty-five years.
SB933 Requires that the board of land and natural resources conduct a rent review of all leases and subleases of public land once every ten years.
SB934 Prohibits any waste or disposal facility from being located in a conservation district.
SB936 Removes 2/3 of the funds from the university managed Mauna Kea special fund. 1/3 to a new Hawaiian Homelands managed special fund. An additional 1/3 to a new Department of Land and Natural Resources special fund.
Many of these bills do not address the mauna by name, but even a quick reading and familiarity with the issue reveals that there is no other reason for these bills to have been advanced.

What do all of these bills have in common? With the exception of House Bill 1067 all of the senate bills are sponsored, and likely authored in large part by state Senator Kaiali#699;i Kahele.

It appears that Senator Kahele has made it his mission to destroy astronomy on Mauna Kea. When last year’s blatant attempts in the legislature failed, he has become more circumspect, attempting to add layers of bureaucratic barriers to changing anything on the mauna.

SB916 is the clearest example of this. Not only would it likely make any use permit of Mauna Kea legally impossible, it would have the same effect on all state lands.

It is worth going through the bills individually, considering the possible implications of the language. Over the next few days DarkerView will do just that, examining each of these bills.

Taken individually some of these bills seem reasonable enough, when considered as a group it becomes clear there is a distinct goal. This is not about improving management or oversight of the mauna, there are better ways to accomplish improvement. This is about ending astronomy on Mauna Kea.


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As can be seen, Sen Kahele is anti TMT ,anti anything on the Mauna like its his or something? Or just trying to get da hawaiian vote?
Read and learn ,or dont read and argue?

Probably why i dont acess punaweb as much these days. Auwe.sad.



HPP

[geochem]

quote:

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Originally posted by PaulW

If Senator Kahele is now pro-telescope, then I am now pro-Senator Kahele. I think it's admirable when someone learns from their mistakes.

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I think that if you read the link in dan d's message above, it's pretty clear the Kahele's "support" for TMT is pure shibai - he's gotten smarter - introducing bills that will kill astronomy development, and a lot else, by 1,000 cuts... but his objective of crippling development in Hawaii hasn't changed.

[Frank]

TMT provides a number of economic benefits for Hawaii, including:

Paying $300,000 annual lease rent, which will increase incrementally to $1 million when it’s operational; 80% goes towards the stewardship of Maunakea and 20% to the Office of Hawaiian Affairs.
Creating 300 local and specialized union construction jobs during 8- to 10-year construction phase and employing 140 staff when operational
Expending $26 million annually in observatory operations
TMT is committed to hiring locally as much as possible and using local businesses for support services.

In 2012 total dollars generated in the Islands was $167 million dollars. Of that $91.48 million dollars went to Hawaii County. link...
https://www.uhero.hawaii.edu/products/view/472
Stem grants are but a part of the reason to nurture this venture here.


Who is gonna pour that kind of money into our County?

eta...Will the County manage additional funds, if project is developed, effectively? ... may be the better question.

[PaulW]

Of course, if he actually is anti-telescope then I am anti-Kahele. Maybe shipping him off to Washington where he can do less damage is a good idea.