Why no access for those isolated by flow?

[glinda]

Thanks for the link Obie.

It seems Mick (who made the video) has a similar sentiment as I. Hopefully all the people involved can find a way to impress upon Harry how unreasonable it is to demand that those along the #132 corridor wait for a more permanent solution when a temporary fix would be so easy, and would mean so much to them. I imagine if the entire community were to push this point something could happen.

[Obie]

We will wait until April and then the D9's will roll.

[djs]

FYI - there are 5 properties in Kapoho Vacationland Farmlots that still have uncovered land. 3 of them with homes. We are fighting for our access to be restored too. If you want to help, email our govenor, mayor, state senators and representatives, our county council. Ask them to support lower Puna by designating the lava recovery funds be used in lower Puna, not for projects on other parts of the island. One of the council members wants funds to go to Waikoloa!!

[glinda]

Ask them to support lower Puna by designating the lava recovery funds be used in lower Puna

Hey, according to Obie, you don't have any problems at all. Come April everyone's going to be made whole again.

[kalakoa]

Come April everyone's going to be made whole again.

For certain values of "everyone".

[knieft]

I hope it is so. According to glinda’s link on another thread there are choke properties to be reunited, with relatively little cost/work for a “cinder” road.

Cheers,
Kirt

[Tink]

Hmmmm...15 to 25 feet of volcanic rock. Think I'll get a tunnel boring machine, set the grade 'puter to the GPS coordinates the County has on file for direction and grade, and (no disrespect to Péle) rip that )&@$! To the side like a snow blower!

Community begins with Aloha

[leilanidude]

Hmmmm...15 to 25 feet of volcanic rock. Think I'll get a tunnel boring machine, set the grade 'puter to the GPS coordinates the County has on file for direction and grade, and (no disrespect to Péle) rip that )&@$! To the side like a snow blower!
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Like all roads ii the state have been made, you go up and over, every time lava inundates the exiting road. THis is why we have hills.

[glinda]

In giving further consideration of Obie's come April and they're going to fire up them bulldozers and all will be great again point of view I have to wonder, just what is really going to happen?

If we take the following statement by State Representative Nicole Lowen from Kona, and Diane Ley's response, at face value I think it is reasonable to wonder just how far beyond the bare minimum is really going to happen?

"Yes, we have to make sure people who live in Kalapana and Pahoa have safe roads to drive on and maybe provide access to Pohoiki but we’re not rebuilding Leilani Estates and Kapoho," Rep. Lowen continued. "I know it’s difficult if it's your district, and and people who live there love that area. I’m sure you have pressure from your community to basically rebuild and try to go back to what was there previously, but… I don’t think to have a goal of doing that entirely is not going to be a good use of taxpayer dollars. So, to what degree has that conversation happened at your level?"

Diane Ley, our mayor's spokesperson replied...

"The mayor told us learn from our past mistakes," answered Diane Ley, the Hawaii County Director of Research and Development, who attended the hearing with three members of the County Council: Sue Lee Loy, Ashley Kierkiewicz, and Tim Richards. "Those past mistakes are, maybe, encouraging development where there's risk and it was development that provided very affordable housing opportunities," Ley said.

"Some residents want to go home, some people want to never go home again," Ley continued. "We need to balance the safety and risk and property rights. We've partnered with UH Manoa to conduct a risk assessment. That should be out this month. We will couple that with U.S. Geological Survey's hazard zones and then do some scenario options, looking at- do we do business as usual, do we replace everything, or do we do straight-up mitigation and move everybody out and retreat from the area with buyouts."

I can see #132, with a lot of fan fair, being reestablished right away. But beyond that? Will they cut through the old lighthouse road to help those (I assume) djs is referring to? Or reestablish Red Road all the way across the flow fields? And, even then who is going to doze the road out to Vacationland to give Obie back their water? Isn't that a private road?

I suspect April will come and go and there will be some show but nothing as grand as putting it all back together again.

The most revealing statement, I think, is Diane's when she says...

"We've partnered with UH Manoa to conduct a risk assessment. That should be out this month. We will couple that with U.S. Geological Survey's hazard zones and then do some scenario options, looking at- do we do business as usual, do we replace everything, or do we do straight-up mitigation and move everybody out and retreat from the area with buyouts."

It's possible they really would think of taking the money over to Waikoloa... say they are making housing closer to work. I am only being silly in response to djs's post.. but hey.

Quotes are from http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/0...uestioned/

[ironyak]

The State & County can hem and haw all they want but at the end of the day they are required to provide access or buy out the properties (the courts have a demonstrated history of looking very unfavorably on inaccessible private properties). I would guess that a back of the envelope calculation would show that bringing 132 & 137 up to "Kalapana Gardens standard" is far cheaper than trying to eminent domain all of Kapoho. Not that they won't milk it for all it is worth, and drag out the process as long as possible, that way they can say they are perpetually doing something...