Youth Climate Strike Hawaii

[Jeremy Lutes]

Frankly, I can't wait wait for all the entitled-boomer-climate-change-deniers to die off. The children (everywhere) deserve better.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Quick, factual synopsis
kids go to school... go outside with little to no explaination why,
They come back i and ZERO Qand A on what just happened.
Kids never even know or care how they being exploited.
eta. the above is happening here in Hilo.

I agree questions, and answers to questions are important - - if that is what you meant by a "ZERO Qand A."

Here are a few questions I have about your comment above: As you stated this is happening in Hilo, at which school did it occur? Any specific class that you know of? Who was the teacher?

If there are no specifics you can offer, is it then in fact a generalized conspiratorial story you may have "laps up... and spoon feeds the faulse narritive" from one of the opinion outlets often referenced in your posts?

Who then has been exploited?

[glinda]

quote:

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Originally posted by Jeremy Lutes

Frankly, I can't wait wait for all the entitled-boomer-climate-change-deniers to die off. The children (everywhere) deserve better.

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Ah, but do we have time to wait?

My sense is no. At some point the freedom to be an idiot clashes with our need to address a very pressing issue. So, I ask, what price are we paying for those that deny climate change, and as such have actually stopped us from doing what has to be done to combat our (man's) role in it? Is there a point where cavalier attitudes, and out right disbelief in science, becomes criminal in that it causes harm to others? To people as well as other species, to the Earth itself?

Is Trump's removal of the USA from the Paris Accord criminal?
Is the reversal of our environmental policies criminal?

Here in Hawaii, even if we have some residences that listen to make believe propaganda and deny science, deny what agencies like NASA teach us, at lease our government seems clearly able to discern reality for the make believe hocus pocus the deniers cling to. But seriously, when does the stupidity of RWR and Old Croc become more dangerous than just, as you say, some "entitled-boomer-climate-change-deniers" rattling on in some obscure internet forum?

[Guest]

Calm down hopie.. Why don't u let me know your name and number here and i give you a shout to fill in you in on all the facts (happening in hilo) u want so badly want to be untrue.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

fill in you in on all the facts (happening in hilo)

Ah! A student of 1950’s history!
“I have here in my hand (waving paper wildly over head) a list of over a hundred names...” - Joseph McCarthy

When someone claims they have information but won’t share it, we can be certain the storage space holding the data is empty. Old dog, old tricks.

[Guest]

Your being silly again and beating me with experience. Instead of pontificating and projecing your theories blindly on the net all day u could always come to town and ask. The truth and facts are waiting... 2019. This way, you too can retain ur privacy.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

u could always come to town and ask. This way, you too can retain ur privacy.

OK.
What’s your phone number?
Address?

[terracore]

"Is... removal of the USA from the Paris Accord criminal?"

I don't know. If you could post a link to the documents I could read them and form an opinion, however I have been unable to find them. There are some public-facing documents that list a lot of vague goals but I have been unable to find the texts that explain the "how".

[glinda]

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Originally posted by terracore

"Is... removal of the USA from the Paris Accord criminal?"

I don't know. If you could post a link to the documents I could read them and form an opinion, however I have been unable to find them...

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Yeah, well, knowing the source of that concept it is easy to imagine nothing got done one way or another. Though in matters that there is a real control over things his administration is moving forward.. and gives considerable weight to the argument none-the-less, methinks.

You might find:

CHANGING THE DIGITAL CLIMATE
How Climate Change Web Content is Being Censored Under the Trump Administration

at:

https://envirodatagov.org/wp-content/upl...limate.pdf

To be pretty enlightening as to the current administration's approach to the issue of climate change. From that link:

I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

EDGI’s website monitoring working group monitors changes to tens of thousands of federal webpages that relate to environment, climate, and energy. In the first year of the Trump administration, we have observed alterations to many federal agency Web resources about climate change. Although there is no evidence of any removals of climate data, we have documented overhauls and removals of documents, webpages, and entire websites, as well as significant language shifts.

Key Findings:

• The Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) removal and subsequent ongoing overhaul of its climate change website raises strong concerns about loss of access to valuable information for state, local, and tribal governments, and for educators, policymakers, and the general public.

• Several agencies removed or significantly reduced the prominence of climate change Web content, such as webpages, documents, and entire websites, and the White House omitted climate change as an issue highlighted on its website.

• The Department of State, Department of Energy (DOE), and the EPA removed information about the federal government’s international obligations regarding climate change, downplaying U.S. involvement.

• Descriptions of agency priorities shifted to emphasize job creation and downplay renewable fuels as replacements for fossil fuels. At the DOE, mentions of “clean energy” and explanations of harmful environmental impacts of fossil fuels were also removed.

• Language about climate change has been systematically changed across multiple agency and program websites. In many cases, explicit mentions of “climate change” and “greenhouse gases” have been replaced by vaguer terms such as “sustainability” and “emissions”.

These documented changes matter because they:

• Make it more difficult for the scientists, policymakers, historians, and the public to access the results of years of scientific and policy research funded by tax dollars.

• Make it harder for state, local, and tribal governments to access resources designed to help them adapt to and mitigate the harms of climate change. For example, the EPA removed over 200 climate webpages for state, local, and tribal governments.

• Diminish our democratic institutions, such as notice-and-comment rulemaking, which depend on an informed public. The removal of the EPA’s Clean Power Plan website has broad implications.

• Can confuse the public if significant changes are not sufficiently justified. Alterations to the U.S. Geological Survey’s search engine generated public confusion.

• Contribute to broader climate denialist efforts that obscure and cast doubt on the scientific consensus on climate change, hampering critical efforts to mitigate and adapt to climate change.

While we cannot determine the reasons for these changes from monitoring websites alone, our work reveals shifts in stated priorities and governance and an overall reduction in access to climate change information, particularly at the EPA...

That is just the very beginning of that report.. but it is well worth being aware of..

And of course, my point was/is, if our actions cause harm are they criminal? Is denying climate change causing harm?

[Obie]

And there is this :

Paris Is Burning Over Climate Change Taxes -- Is America Next?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore...b9d710632e

"The City of Lights, Paris, has been illuminated in recent days by cars set alight by thousands of protesting “Yellow Vests”—largely middle class people who earn their living by driving or who commute to get to work. The cause of their ire is a scheduled 25 cents-per-gallon increase in gas taxes, and about 10 cents on diesel, to fight climate change.

French President Macron, deeply unpopular, just reversed course on the new green tax—Parisians are already paying about $7.06 per gallon for gasoline, almost half of that in taxes.

If Paris streets burned over a proposed 25 cents per gallon climate change tax, imagine the global conflagration over a $49 per gallon tax.

That’s what a United Nations special climate report calls for in 12 years, with a carbon tax of $5,500 per ton—equal to $49 per gallon of gasoline or diesel. That’s about 100 times today’s average state and federal motor fuels tax."

Carbon taxes might stop climate change but is it worth it.Our Legislature wants to impose a carbon tax.What good will it do except cut down on traffic for wealthy people who can afford gas.