Carmageddon

[jrw]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

when you people move out there you knew how the roads where.

Yes.
But for some of us those roads had half or even a third the traffic.

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I am sorry but when you move out there you knew there was only one way out. When I move here I want to live in lower puna but when I was house hunting twice the road was block for hours so I didnt move out there and that was 11 years ago

jrw

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

when you move out there you knew there was only one way out.

Yes.
And an alternate road was part of the plan for Puna.

[kalakoa]

when you move out there you knew there was only one way out

...which isn't a big deal for the residents of the subdivision, but when County decides it's an "alternate route" for an inadequate highway, then we have a problem.

As I've long said: the road is "private" if you want County maintenance, but it's magically "open to the public" when County wants to divert traffic into your subdivision.

[ElysianWort]

I hate to says but when you people move out there you knew how the roads where. I f you want freeways everywhere maybe you should move back to where you came from.

jrw


I came from here. Been living here 40 years. My parents moved out here when I was 5 years old, too young to understand the conditions of the road. I am kamaaina through and through. So when people tell me to go back where I came from I have the urge to curse them out. Understandable?

[bluesboy]

i'd be curious to know how much Puna residents pay in tax compared to other districts and/or islands. i'd be curious to see how much was spent in Puna compared to other districts and/or islands.

[kalakoa]

taxes ... spending ...

I have a related thought: compare the cost ratios against similar counties or townships. For example, how many building permits does a staffer process? How much does a mile of road cost?

Granted our numbers will be inflated because costs are higher -- but that difference can be quantified when comparing to non-island municipalities.

Sometimes I think "Hawaii is expensive" becomes a built-in excuse for price increases and invoice padding that wouldn't be justifiable otherwise.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

"Hawaii is expensive" becomes a built-in excuse f

When I moved to Maui the people at HOPACO, the hardware stores, lumber yard all took a deep breath and groaned like beached sea creatures when I asked about the high prices. In between they managed a “ohhhh shipping costs” or two.

Now they all magically match or come close to prices at the big box stores. Those shipping prices sure came down over the years, while postage and air travel went way up. Lucky we live Hawaii where our days are filled with mystery.

[kalakoa]

Lucky we live Hawaii where our days are filled with mystery.

Not a mystery: Puna is a giant tax farming operation, and all the revenue is exported.

[Seeb]

I believe part of the neglect of Puna is intensional. Real estate people trying to sell high price projects elsewhere want to make Puna less appealing. And if you look at the connections on the planning board and county council it makes you go hmmm?

[My 2 cents]

quote:

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Originally posted by kalakoa

when you move out there you knew there was only one way out

...which isn't a big deal for the residents of the subdivision, but when County decides it's an "alternate route" for an inadequate highway, then we have a problem.

As I've long said: the road is "private" if you want County maintenance, but it's magically "open to the public" when County wants to divert traffic into your subdivision.

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From today's tribune article:

Briski said it behooves Puna residents to familiarize themselves with the alternate routes to Hilo on Puna’s secondary roads sometime when there’s no traffic accidents and no rush.

“It’s amazing how many people called who had no idea how to use the secondary routes that are available to them,” Briski said.

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/202...for-hours/

So Capt. John Briski, commander of Hawaii Police Department’s Puna Patrol Division is actively directing people to explore our PRIVATE subdivisions anytime, not just emergency situations. And it becomes clear and provable that our PRIVATE roads are part of the plan as alternate routes, not just in emergencies, but in general.

Just more ammunition for the lawsuit, assuming our associations can ever get over the infighting long enough to take the fight where it really belongs.

Absurd assumption, I know.