COVID-19 confirmed in Hawaii: 607+ cases 16 deaths

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the state director of health

Hahahaha

I am sorry. That guy shouldn't be allowed to be dog catcher.

Methinks the only one in that circus that isn't a clown, and a scary Steven King kine clown at that, is Josh Green

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Originally posted by randomq

Then reopen the economy, and start allowing tourists that test clean to come back

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I think you are wrong randomq, we need closed borders, entirely. Not another soul in, period, until the pestilence has passed completely.

[randomq]

hokuili, "completely" may never come. I'm for an effective quarantine, but only until we have better tools (antivirals, vaccines, tests, cures, effective and available PPE) to manage this. The quarantine is just buying us time to *do something*, and based on our state government's past performance, I'm not sure they even know that.

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randomq, for me completely = vaccine. Until then I think the best we can hope for is to open the island to local activity when, and only when, we all are able to be tested and cleared. As to the outside world, we need an absolute barrier to that insanity. You know, something like a moat and a drawbridge. Hey, we have one of those! Lucky us. Now if we only can demonstrate the intelligence to operate a drawbridge.

[randomq]

hokuili, you may be proposing a 1+ year quarantine then. While I disagree with that level of isolation and economic disruption, it would be interesting to see if any alternative industries popped up to take tourism's place. I think as long as we screen/quarantine folks on the way in, we could soon become a safe haven for the medically vulnerable and elderly, and the rich and worried well.

Longer term: Massive investment in retirement communities and related medical infrastructure would benefit us all, and put us in a better position to weather the next pandemic. As would attracting industries that do not depend as tightly on the supply chain: certain types of scientific research, Internet startups, creative work. We should also use this as impetus to remove our reliance on imported fossil fuels via massive solar deployment. Same with food security, let's grow at least some sufficient amount of staple crops here, even if they are only break-even financially.

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No randomq, I am suggesting a very short, 2 - 3 months exercise in self reflection. A simple task really. Followed by an island wide testing program to identify and isolate every single case of covid-19. That's another month. So, 3 - 4 months from now we could have complete mobility on island, we could open all locally serving services, and enjoy our local pleasures. But we have to keep our drawbridge up. And keep testing and immediately following every lead any positive test exposes. That way we can begin to develop an island economy. And, in my mind, that is food security. It's number one.. two and three. All that other stuff is laters.

[Durian Fiend]

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Originally posted by hokuili

Now if we only can demonstrate the intelligence to operate a drawbridge.

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Probably not legal, and this would prevent supplies from coming to islands. It won't happen.

[PaulW]

Without any tourism, who is going to pay for all of this? Too bad we didn't diversify when we had the chance, e.g. with the telescope and geothermal.
As for food security, ag here can't compete with cheap imports from the mainland.

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As for food security, ag here can't compete with cheap imports from the mainland....

At any price, eh? I don't know what news you've been watching but mine's talking food shortages already. Talking about the actual Corona Task Force, you know the guys that put out the spin, huddling together on the back side talking like OMG the food, the food!

Well maybe not so dramatically, but brah it may be a while before we can depend on the mainland for much of anything. Sure it'll come, but what and how much? It all depends on which industries are hit the hardest by the virus. Imagine the farmers, the food packers the butchers.. the wholesalers.. being hit by the virus enough to shut them down...

Coronavirus may cause some food shortages, warns government task force

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-may-c...08504.html

Go read it, no need I copy/paste, I did that with that article a few days ago.

With all that in mind, I think your assumptions are based upon old models that no longer apply. But hey I could be wrong, who really knows? Though I would think that we are poised to see a change in our local economy that shifts to something more in line with a locally sourced model. I can't see the people in hospitality sitting around waiting for the tourists to return. Major projection has Maui as the hardest hit in the nation when this is all tallied up. Because major projections don't think tourism is going to return for a long long time.

So where do those workers, that cute chic that served you the last time you ate water front side along Alii Dr., where is she going to work? What about the owner of the boats that took folks snokling? The tour bus drivers? The endless people tied to the transient trade? We with shift, immediately, or they have to leave. We either recreate our economy to suit our needs or our potential goes to waste and we're screwed.

If we focus on farming, immediately, we could have a growing economy in no time and be a food source for others. We have the labor, the land, the sunshine and water, we're ready to go. We all ready do that with beef. We're so close to nirvana already! Think of all the fruit in all the yards, dude we are a breadbasket. And it's all with an ocean view.

Man we are sitting so pretty, if we want to. Otherwise, there's all sorts of excuses to be miserable.

[ironyak]

https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/04/hawaii...s-near-400

"On Monday, 16 new COVID-19 cases and another death were confirmed in Hawaii.

The total number of infections statewide has reached 387, most of which are on Oahu.

Honolulu County has documented 292 infections to date, up from 281 on Sunday. All other counties reported one new case since Sunday. Maui County has reported 44 total new COVID-19 cases, Hawaii County reported 23, and Kauai County reported 17.

A fifth person to die due to coronavirus complications was also reported Monday by Department of Health officials online.

The number of people requiring hospitalization has reached 26, up from 21 reported on Sunday.

Nearly 90 people have been determined well enough by DOH to be released from isolation."

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