Vaccinated People Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

[My 2 cents]

Aloha JayLHpp, welcome to Punaweb.

There are 2 items that you bring up that I would like to explore further. The rest of it I will stay far, far away from. There will be plenty of other recruits for that.

"Lancet, national library of medicine, fairly credible right?"

Brings up the question, what, or WHO are the credible sources? Likely a matter of opinion, but I would like to know what those opinions are. From anyone, not necessarily from you Jay.

"jab that is dividing this country."

We've been seeing the division develop for decades across the country, mostly politically, but that topic is taboo around here (thankfully). But the vaccine debate has pushed the division deep into our community, right down to the family level. I see this as potentially more dangerous than the virus or the jab.

I'm not really asking a question here, just expressing an opinion and curious if anyone else sees it this way.

[AaronM]

Welcome to the thread JayLHpp!

I can't wait for you to meet TomK, I know you two will have a lot of fun together.

[kalakoa]

The vaccine is not "dividing the country", the USA was already broken before COVID, if the pandemic never happened people would be arguing about something else. It's what America does.

[eightfingers2.0]

This country was “dividing up” after WWII.

[AaronM]

This Country was "dividing up" before it was a Country.

[My 2 cents]

As I said, we’ve been seeing it for decades.  My point was how much the division has accelerated, and how much further it is reaching during this vaccine era.  A few pages back someone suggested that we should be sending our unvaccinated family members uninvitations to Christmas dinner.  We are promoting the division of families right here on Punaweb.  A newcomer posts his thoughts and is promptly greeted by being told his opinions are shit, take them somewhere else.  Apologies RQ, I could have used other examples, yours was just the most recent and convenient. 

Thing is, this behavior is mostly new.  I don’t recall RQ or the other examples displaying this kind of hostility in the past or even currently on other threads.  To jab or not to jab is making us crazy.

To be fair, I have not seen any of this in real life amongst my own family or circle of friends.  So I wonder if people are really as angry and hostile as what is portrayed here and promoted in media.  Or is Punaweb actually just providing a safe place for some therapeutic venting?

[Wao nahele kane]

Here's a good read from a Swedish journalists perspective.
A good way to wash the filth of the US media, it's politicians and bureaucrats off ones body.

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/10/10/the...-covid-19/

[kander]

A newcomer posts his thoughts and is promptly greeted by being told his opinions are shit, take them somewhere else.

The funniest part about it is that had captain orange won the election and done his "very powerful" mandates on the vaccine the whole dynamic of this conversation would be polar opposite. Nobody in Hawaii would have bent a knee to it. When it come time to take the jab or loose the job. Everyone would have been marching in the streets screaming.

[VancouverIslander]

The 'sky is falling' ethos so doggedly embraced here on PW would make a lot more sense if the death rate from covid was 2% instead of 0.2%

There is simply no argument for the "time is of the essence" panic.  One million deaths from covid is just not a large number. 

I've found that the people complaining the loudest about natural selection are the ones who are on the losing end of the paradigm.

The death rate for those with identified cases of covid is 0.5-1.2% according to the best information available and not 0.2% as you posit.  If your 0.2% were true, how is it that the USA as a whole has 0.22% of it's population dead from covid and only 13% of it's population has been infected (with an average of two tests per person so far)?  Peru has already lost 0.6% of it's population to covid.

Of course, when you look at it rationally, death should not be your only metric.  There are probably 20 times as many people with long term health problems as a result of covid.  A good friend of mine has a palsy in his hands from it.

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Tomk,
The article doesn't contradict my argument as I had no argument, I simply cited the way things are. The article contradicts what is known today and confirms my point.
In today's reality of October 2021, the existing reality is that the vaccine loses efficacy after 6 months but it was wrongfully predicted back in June to be potentially long lasting.

Now, I'm finished discussing this matter and will not be roped into one of your nonsensically contrived exchanges.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2114583

And since your understanding appears to have limits, I'll also include this simple to understand mainstream media article that sums up the above study in the NEJM.

https://www.israel21c.org/israeli-study-...-6-months/

A loss of humoral immunity (a reduction in antibody levels specific to covid) is expected but is far from a complete picture for lasting immunity.  Memory T cells provide more lasting immunity, an item your article doesn't address.

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/

For all of your long winded diatribe, you failed to note the most important fact regarding the point you are trying to make.  Both the Pfizer and the Moderna m-rna vaccines do create significant antigic responses.  This incontrovertibly disproves your thesis.

[Durian Fiend]

 They laughed at trump and operation warp speed...

LOL.  What's the point of assuming another online identity if no effort is made to disguise your writing style?  

Regarding the content of your message, Mr. Spock would say "highly illogical".