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Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii?
#21
Prospects for "the boat" do not look good at present. The question is whether they will be able to operate while the Environmental Impact Report is done, and the EIR (it may be called an EIS in HI) is going to be negative.

As for the original question, Superferry good or bad, I've thought about it and one way to look at it is from the perspective of your island, which is how Kauai and Maui are looking at it.

They obviously view it as bad (Oahu and Big Island seem to favor it), and from their perspective I would have to agree. Not an expert on this, but from Kauai's viewpoint I would be concerned about invasive species and, to an extent, crime. The superferry WILL transport the frog. There are no two ways about it. At present, Mauai and Kauai have the frog under control.

From a Big Island perspective, we have less to lose and more to gain. We have the invasive species other Islands want to avoid.

I used the Ferry in British Columbia and it was a fantastic experience. It was about a two hour ride from Vancouver to Nanaimo on Vancouver Island, and it was simply thrilling. Also took it from Victoria to Vancouver. The amenities were top notch, the ride was smooth (it will of course be rougher in Hawaii) and it was a great way to get around. It is possible to live in Victoria, yet work in Vancouver.

The problem --and the blessing-- for Hawaii is that each island has its own delicate eco-system. These ecosystems will be damaged (not that they are "pristine" now) with the advent of the ferry.

Here is what I think they should do: the government needs to be candid about the environmental impacts (once they are fully known) and the Superferry operaters need to be willing to mitigate that impact (wash undercarriage of all cars boarding, etc). Kauai and Mauai deserve to be protected from those impacts so that the environmental disaster that befell Big Island does not occur there as well.

In other words there needs to be some honesty about the actual concerns raised by the Superferry, and these concerns need to be mitigated to the greatest extent possible.

The Governor is in a difficult place at present. The Government authorized the Superferry to proceed without an EIR. The Superferry acted in reliance on that authorization, spending millions. The court has said the EIR is necessary. Two islands are adamantly and vigorously opposed to the Superferry. That is apparent now, if it was not apparent before.

This will be a delicate balancing act.


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#22
The folks on Maui and Kauai who are so vocally opposing the HSF may or may not represent the majority of the citizens of that island. I don't presume to know what the majority wants, but everybody involved in the whole fiasco has shown themselves to either be short-sighted, boorish, or less than fully honest at one time or another.
And that includes the government at all levels, the HSF corporate guys, some of the (rock pilfering) Oahu passengers, and the protestors. Why is it that whenever something like this happens in Hawaii just about everybody gets to look foolish or bad?

Cheers,
Jerry

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#23
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Why is it that whenever something like this happens in Hawaii just about everybody gets to look foolish or bad?



Practice makes perfect I guess!

Bring the Ferry to Hilo! I know...I know...rough waters. But I'm sure our Papayas won't mind the ride!

Seriously, I say we bring it to Hilo. I'd use it to go to Oahu. I wouldn't drive two hours to Kawaihae to get on it though.

"What? Me Worry?" - Alfred E. Nueman
"Vote with your money!"
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#24
I was in beautiful Kauai just last week. It is still a wonderfully pristine island despite the island’s growing pains. Yes, I did get caught in the traffic on the east side of the island not far from the port on one of those one lane roads - rear ended even by an inattentive driver - in the middle of the day - so it is easy to imagine what chaos a fleet of cars, all exiting the ferry at the same time, would cause.

And then there is the coqui frog issue. Having lived with the increasing and incessant mating chorus outside my house for almost two years now (hard to believe there was only ONE frog when I first moved here two and half years ago - and like many others, I thought it was cute at the time..) I am happy for Kauai that it is blessed with coqui free nights. If vehicles from the infested islands come, so will those tiny, hitchhiking, loud mouth frogs, and the fire ants and maybe even a mongoose. None of these are there now, but they will be. Do we really wish that on our sister island?

A website previously mentioned in this thread, http://www.boycottsuperferry.org/, details this problem and a host of others very clearly. It’s the most well thought out and presented perspective that I have read on these issues.

Despite all the above, I don’t have the same feelings about the Superferry coming to the Big Island, preferably Hilo. We already have the coqui frog and as many cars will probably leave as arrive, AND we have several lanes through Hilo to absorb the burst of traffic, though the road to and from the port may be impacted. I think it may even be a boon to Hilo businesses as residents of Oahu bring their families to escape for a few days. Also those with physical disabilities, an often overlooked minority, will have a more comfortable and convenient way to travel to and from Oahua and our island.



Edited by - sittall on 09/23/2007 08:52:41
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#25
There is stuff shipped interisland everyday...the same stuff that would be on trucks inside the ferry instead of a YB barge...there already exsists every posibility that the ferry would bring, except convenience. How do you think the frogs got here? It wasn't on a ferry. I wonder how many of those protesting are also longshoreman faced with real competion for the first time.

Simple measures can be taken to rid the cars of frogs. The mongoose already has the chance to get there in shipping containers, so that won't change with the ferry, except it will be the ferry that delivers the container instead of YB.

Daniel R Diamond
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#26
heard lingle on the news say that she got a letter from someone on the mainland that said he wasn't coming here because of the superferry controversy, LMAO!!



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#27
I'm not coming to Hawaii because I can't put my rental car on a boat? Okay. Have fun in Fort Lauderdale!

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#28
They may have decided not to come because of all the discord, rude behavior, and general lack of intelligent planning shown over this issue. Like wjbillock says, "Practice makes perfect." And we've had lots of practice at looking inept and clueless lately.

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#29
I guess this is going to piss a lot of residents off, however, I'm so in favor of the Superferry.

My question that needs to be posed here... What "Things" will the HSF bring to the B.I. that any other mode of transport might also bring?

Get people on Kauai protesting they don't want Cocqui's and Fire Ants.

Get people on Maui that don't want Traffic *cough* toss up my liver.

Get people in Alaska waiting for the failure of HSF.

Nuff said

I'm 100% behind the HSF.

Anyone want to discuss this w/out throwing down?

Nah... Never mind.... It's gonna be the same thing again and again.

"Can't we all get along?"

I love this quote I read somewhere...

HSF divided Hawaii...

UH football brought us back together.

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Coming home soon!

Edited by - damon on 12/11/2007 21:09:51
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#30
When the Superferry comes to Kahalui, Maui Thursday, local activists are organizing a protest that will keep them out of the "security zone" that is designed to discourage terrorists.

It involves a moving blockade of vehicles directly outside the harbor area, promoting in effect, gridlock.

It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out, as this could be an effective protest tactic eventually at Kawaihae.

See the "Island Breath" website for details;
http://homepage.mac.com/juanwilson/islandbreath/

My thanks to konablog for guiding me to this informative "alternative" site.



Edited by - greg on 12/11/2007 21:01:34


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