Superferry, is it good or bad for Hawaii?

[aikahimomma]

Damon...are you against the civil defense?
and for that matter, are you against the guard?

These are local folks helping local folks.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by aikahimomma

Damon...are you against the civil defense?
and for that matter, are you against the guard?

These are local folks helping local folks.

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I'm against the Government (Lingle) changing laws to support private business.

I'm not against the Superferry.
I'm not against the Civil Defense.
And I have relatives in the Guard and I'm not against that.

When government lies to it's people and hides behind Attorney Client priviledge, then that sucks and it's not an "Open Government".

When we start losing access to the government and when government over rides written law, then it gets even scarier.

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[Greg]

"men can fly, equipment can't." I've seen heavy equipment parachuted from cargo jets at Pohakuloa. It's pretty awesome; they push it out the back while flying low and slow.

gtill, BTW, thanks for serving.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by gtill

.... Now the guard can respond with needed equipment, quick. In any state, numerous counties can pool their equipment to fight fires, landslides, no county can have the resources to handle a 100yr disaster! Look back 100 years and see if you see a justification. If a forest fire starts and and not enough vehicles to control it, need more, quick not two days, same day, I wonder if much property could have been saved if 40 extra trucks could be delivered in 18 hours. Numerous incidents have been blamed or partly blamed on slow equipment arrival.

....... we've always supplemented outer islands with men, men can fly, equipment can't. We've never done this before because we couldn't. 10 5man trucks or 5 10man trucks, ever seen a massive forest fire, oil fire?.............

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If there was an emergency and the ferry couldn’t be used, Ishikawa said, the Guard would have to fly in equipment via C17s or Chinook helicopters............Hawaii National Guard Brig. Gen. Gary Ishikawa said Maui has already done a “fabulous job” of removing debris and recuperating from the storm, and that the National Guard will “augment” the efforts

This wasn't even an emergency by National Guard Standards, according to Maui's own Newspaper and the National Guard themselves.[]



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[mgeary]

gtill said: ...In any state, numerous counties can pool their equipment to fight fires, landslides, no county can have the resources to handle a 100yr disaster!

True, that. Not a lot of people know much about inter-agency cooperative agreements and disaster management. I've fought fires all over the state of California, and responded to floods and earthquakes, too. California's ability to mobilize an army of firefighters on short notice is really impressive.

But then again, I'm biased. ;-)

How do I know?

[Guest]

100 year disaster? is the justification? What are they going to do to the lava flow bomb it?

Just drove over saddle road and you could land a 747 up there.

Tell me that's just for us and not the military.

Maui's just a publicity stunt, looks good on TV.

Trying to say there isn't enough heavy equipment on that island to do the job? Right.

[Bob Orts]

So what's the big deal if the military uses the Ferry?

[Rob Tucker]

Bob, I am not against the military using the HSF per se. If it's there, use it. My own prediction is that the HSF will not survive long economically. As a concept I think it will fail.

So the military aspect could be perceived by some as a big deal because many of it's investors/backers are political big wigs. There is a possibility that to save their financial bacon the taxpayers may, in effect, be asked to bail them out.

Just a possible theory. Might be others.

Would anyone object if their tax dollars were to line some rich guy's pocket - one more time? In Hawaii - sucking on the federal straw is an art.

[gtill]

Good replys, glad to work on answers, we're all probably part right, and wrong, not being a tv guy, nothing better to do, It could affect our futures.

I'm not a right wing hawk, but I know our military,and certainly don't denigrate the harshest critic, if he can provide real scenarios that justify his criticism, not might or can and I will reply with facts(to me).

And right now the maui invasion is case in point. I'm aware the emergency is over. It's what you call training, And being train ing, it is probably financed by the fed, not us isle taxpayers, the troops still get paid. Emergency is immediately or ASAP. Who would you want to rescue you, an experimental vehicle or a proven vehicle? This could be a boon to the superferry, and the state and fed. A coworker from georgia hoots about the thing, if accepted he's going back to build em when finished a welder and prvious gulf shrimpboat worker. He got sick enroutr, but couldn't believe how smooth for the speed. Like it or not, we're a proving ground for Sf.

Jetskis are 2 stroke (oily smoke belchers)but improving. But pump tec driven and non leathal propulsion makes it accepted. Some would like to have them banned, how about lifeguards. The jetski is irreplacable when it gets really big. And guys still want to go out, only a ski can help. Iifeguards can cover more beach with one. Lives have been saved.

SF is the same, as long as it goes where it should, it's not a bother, speed and clean footprint, "bottom cleaned by speed" and profiled smoothly,minimum disruptive. Huge drive on loading capacity. Unmatched smooth ride especially at speed. and it has proven its first sea runs. It also knows when to stop, if safety is threatened they take the bite. If there is no pre notification of what could come, they would be like some realtors. If there weren't, there will be now. Part of training, is learning it's called shakedown. Part of it's agreement could be to be on call, immediate cessation of joyride, as instant (as possible) at the nearest port, unloaded and off and running. Wouldn't happen often, hopefully never but the possibility is there. Jet skis are acceptable in normal times, and absolutely critical in big times! Are we going to close the beaches when it gets big. Deaths make for bad publicity.
Surfers aren't going to get any more cautious not trainable.Hikers are the same, won't listen do we close the mountains? Ban or help? Sf is a legal system in US and international waters. Hokulea would have the same rights in mainland waters and harbors.
It 's here and only time will tell if it makes it. If the controversy continues there should be a statewide vote!

or not!

[Rob Tucker]

HSF is backing off on scheduling a second daily run to Maui. Apparently they pissed Maui County off by neglecting to discuss the second run with Maui.... or anyone it seems.

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