HPH -Free Spay & Neuter for Feral Cats

[Guest]

Hey I love cats and we have one. I think they have a place on our farms and in our homes.
But the way I see it. .22 ammo is really cheap.

Releasing neutered cats to get the sh1t tore out of them by alpha tomcats is cruel and unusual.

[Andrew]

This link that JWFITZ provided:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1027&context=icwdmother

opens a PDf document outlining some pretty convincing reasons why the Catch, Neuter & Release program doesn't work.

[gtill]

The way the economy is going, cats could be showing up on peoples tables pretty soon, the economy can turn pets into food items. Food stamps might not last forever!

The method of euthanasion(?sp) might be the problem, not to be unkind, but how about sleeping sedatives and a .22 round to the head, sounds kinda cold but it would beat oxygen depravation. The sleeping sedative in a good last meal!

It works in China and I've never heard any squacks about that!

[Bob Orts]

Questions:

1. If the Trap, Neuter/Spay, Release program is being funded through private charitable donations, why does anyone really care?

2. How much more in taxes would you be willing to pay each year to have a government funded animal control program that traps, destroys and disposes of feral cats.

3. If government funding weren’t enough to accomplish the control of feral cats, would you still prefer these groups not do Trap Neuter/Spay release?

[Andrew]

Answers:

1. It's a program that nurtures an already out of control invasive species that is decimating Hawaii's native bird species.

2. Implement a bounty program of $5/hide as esnap pointed out. I'm sure the Humane Society spends much more than $5 already with the program they offer. A bounty would get more bang for the buck in more ways than one so to speak.

3. Yes absolutely!!! These misguided souls that nurture feral cat populations by putting food out are also unintentionally also nurturing the feral mongoose population. A perfect case in point is the walking track at the Old Airport in Kona. It is swarming in cats and mongooses and the place stinks. I don't go there any more when I'm over in Kona for fear of catching some disease.

Read this PDF http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1027&context=icwdmother Really. There are some very good points in there as to why the TNR program does much more harm than good.

[hikatz]

gtill

where do you think many of the missing well fed dogs end up!

[JWFITZ]

Let alone the fact that a 501-3c organization practicing TNR is walking boundaries of perpetrating a scam, and making a profit tax free doing it.

. . .will. . .restrain. . .myself. . .

I promise, really, I give up. The evidence stands for itself. The TNR problem has been a headache to me because of the cat dumping up here, but having done the research today I'd say now I'm really against it. It's been a failure everywhere it's been tried. As a policy, it has one study and one event to back it, in San Diego(of course) by Stanford(of course) in and urban environment(of course) where they documented------no significant results attributable to the program.

That's it. Didn't know that before. Now I do.

[gtill]

Hikatz, that will become the norm if things keep going downhill with the economy. But like the last published episode on an Oahu golf course, it's mostly fresh immigrants longing for home meal, kinda like wanting a steak in India. Many haoles think that dog is eaten routinely here by these savages, BS,my local family did so way back,but like the vast majority wouldn't think of it today. Turtle too, not long ago the turtle was a near staple for many families here (including haole).

When I was in the military I knew many mainland troops who had been to dogfights, but no locals. Chicken fights yes (not as much as mainland).

[Bob Orts]

Andrew, I don't disagree that on question 1, the feral cats are being returned to continue doing what they were doing. But which makes more sense, leaving feral fertile cats to reproduce, or at least returning sterile feral cats that can't reproduce? Again, this is about those private animal welfare groups that use private donated money, not government funds.

On question 2, a bounty has to be paid from somewhere. Currently, no taxpayer funds are used for T-S/N-R only for low/no cost programs. If a bounty was being paid for feral cats, how much of a tax increase will residents be willing to pay for the bounty program? And if the bounty program requires the animal to be destroyed, what additional cost will that require. Under a County Bounty Program, the contract would require the County to pay all cost associated with the program. Even more, under a bounty program, each cat will be considered a stray and has to be housed for the same length of time as any other stray before destruction. The cost will rise and I'm just trying to see if taxpayers would be willing to pay and if so, how much.

Question 3, I'm not sure what people feeding strays has to do with a T-N/S-R program?

[Bob Orts]

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Originally posted by JWFITZ

Let alone the fact that a 501-3c organization practicing TNR is walking boundaries of perpetrating a scam, and making a profit tax free doing it.

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[?] That does not make any sense. Can you explain[?]