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The Shipmans and their corporate personnel have had a difficult relationship with HPP in the past couple of years. The four wheel drive road referenced by Obie did not go all the way to Haena before it was blocked. It only went about a third of the way, at best, and was mainly used for shoreline access in the area immediately adjacent to HPP. When the Shipmans blocked it, they sent a corporate representative to an HPP meeting to explain that trash and rowdy behavior forced that action. Not only was there something of a hu-hu over the blockage, but someone correctly pointed out that the large stones were on HPP owned property. Oops! Big embarrassment. They had to send someone out to move them right away. The fact was, however, that there was a lot of trash being dumped and left in that area. The question left in the minds of many was, "Is this really about the trash and rowdy behavior, or about limiting access." I honestly don't know for sure, but I got the impression they would close the trail entirely if they could. That is strictly my interpretation, and they never said that was their intent.
I have acquired a somewhat skeptical opinion about the Shipmans' motives since I attended a meeting on amending the Puna CDP. At that meeting a gentleman got up and made a case for some policy changes and amendments that would have proven quite benificial to the Shipmans. What the guy quite disengenuously failed to mention was the fact that he was a high level employee of the Shipman family. Just a small oversight.
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Kimo you only stated that you would open your land if you had more.... if you own any land, you have more than some in Puna, and are far richer than some in Puna ... so by your logic, you should be willing to open what you have to those that have far less than you have....
So are YOU going to open your land up to those with less than you have, to set an example to those with more than you have? I am gonna guess, NO!
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If there were something of public interest. Ubetcha I would. but let me see... I think the Shipmans have a monopoly on that.
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If I'm not mistaken, there is no Shipman "family" anymore. Just the corporate representatives. Roy Blackshear was the last Shipman (His mom was a Shipman) and I believe the company was inhereted by his trophy wife and run by a board of directors.
I wouldn't expect any altruistic Kama'aina considerations when dealing with the WH Shipman Ltd corporate enterprise.
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quote:
Originally posted by pslamont
Now see, I think the opposite. I am disabled and can't make that hike no matter what, but I think having remote beaches and adventures is a great thing. Not everyone can see and/or do everything. There are other beaches with access for me. Let some things stay remote and unspoiled by the masses.
I want to be the kind of woman that, when my feet
hit the floor each morning, the devil says
"Oh Crap, She's up!"
AMEN!
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Can anyone be so kind give me the direction to the beach?
Is the trail started at the end of Beach Rd. by Kaloli Dr? Is it easy to follow the trail? How long approximatley does it take to get there?
My son is coming for a visit next month. We didn't have time to go to this beach last year when he was here. And I'd like to take him there this time. Is the dog allowed on the trail? We promise not to leave any trash, only our footprints.
Mahalo,
Val
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quote:
Originally posted by JerryCarr
The Shipmans and their corporate personnel have had a difficult relationship with HPP in the past couple of years. The four wheel drive road referenced by Obie did not go all the way to Haena before it was blocked. It only went about a third of the way, at best, and was mainly used for shoreline access in the area immediately adjacent to HPP. When the Shipmans blocked it, they sent a corporate representative to an HPP meeting to explain that trash and rowdy behavior forced that action. Not only was there something of a hu-hu over the blockage, but someone correctly pointed out that the large stones were on HPP owned property. Oops! Big embarrassment. They had to send someone out to move them right away. The fact was, however, that there was a lot of trash being dumped and left in that area. The question left in the minds of many was, "Is this really about the trash and rowdy behavior, or about limiting access." I honestly don't know for sure, but I got the impression they would close the trail entirely if they could. That is strictly my interpretation, and they never said that was their intent.
I have acquired a somewhat skeptical opinion about the Shipmans' motives since I attended a meeting on amending the Puna CDP. At that meeting a gentleman got up and made a case for some policy changes and amendments that would have proven quite benificial to the Shipmans. What the guy quite disengenuously failed to mention was the fact that he was a high level employee of the Shipman family. Just a small oversight.
Here is the whole story from the newspaper at that time:
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/07...ry08.htmld
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Originally posted by Greg
Quote:
"To grant access to the disabled would be reverse discrimination."
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That's right! Take away all their good parking spaces too!
(just kidding)
punatoons
Whoops !! I was kind of meaning that there would be someone who would complain if only a few people were allowed to drive in.
I should take more time and explain myself better.
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There is A shipman. I saw him once. The Grandson or Great Grandson. I saw Him once in the post office when he was mailing something.
The PO employee looked at his mail and asked if he was related to the missionary and he said
"I'm his grandson"
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The Shipmans (Actually their trust) are providing access, there is no law that they have to maintain a road all the way to the beach, they just have to provide shore access.
Aside from the old county road, which is the "4 WD" referenced (and what shows up on the map), you can also hike along the lava cliffs all the way to the beach, it just takes longer and you are out in the bright sun on lava = hot.
As Carey said, even when you are hiking in, you cross the Shipman property. There are Shipman family members alive. A foundation manages the family estate. The Mr. Shipman of course once owned HPP, you can read all about that here:
http://myhawaiianhome.blogspot.com/2009/...adise.html
Iju, here is a post all about the beach & the hike. If you have any further questions, send me an e-mail.
http://myhawaiianhome.blogspot.com/2009/...-puna.html
The beach is beautiful, best at high tide. It can take as short as an hour to as long as two hours each way, depending on the road/trail conditions and your physical ability. Dogs are allowed, but must be on leash at all times, especially at the beach as it is a Nene Sanctuary.
Caution, the road can be EXTREMELY muddy with lots of rocks and you should wear sturdy water shoes for the hike. It is not for the handicapped or people who are not at least a little physically fit, but it is worth the work to get there. Enjoy it!
Aloha au i Hawai`i,
devany
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