more helicopters

[Bullwinkle]

Its been the same old shi... same old game for years, just different faces ... There is just too much money in it too stop.

I may owe billy an apology ... but billy Im pissed .... 6 hours of helicopters, three 200 foot visits.... come on ... email me if you read this and really care ... Ill buy you lunch , may even go to work for you to help solve the problem, Ill even kiss you behind if you feel slighted... But the dysfunctional policy needs to stop before someone gets hurt and organized crime gets more entrenched.

Id also like to talk about my day.... and how scary it was to have the whole house and furniture going ...whoof whoof whoof... and how one of these days those cowboys are going to really make a mess with their helicopters

[PaulW]

All these complaints about helicopters, yet not a single photo. Don't be shy. Get the registration numbers, and take photos that show how low they're flying.

[centipede]

Corruption and politics go hand-in-hand, and the most powerful statement the people can make is not to vote at all, and to follow up the inaction with letters to editors of all the newspapers outlining why.

[Bullwinkle]

Paul I was to busy wondering about the roof. I dont think you get it.... the house was pulsing in unison with the blade rpm.... Meanwhile the phone ringing 'cause the neighbors are in a panic thinking they are coming after him and what to do -

I didn't know he was growing - grin - and yes he pulled them -I hear a patch of half a dozen out in the open

and the dog trying to either bolt out any open window or squeeze into the tightest spot he could....

really wasn't focused on cameras ....

And what do we think the dea would do with the complaint?

edit = getting late, manana...

maybe the end of thread for me ... having said all I can say on the topic - until the county releases info on the latest raids

Ill be lurking if you want to talk Billy

[kabloink]

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Originally posted by Bullwinkle


Tell me even with the lowest level of enforcement on the books.... if a dea helicopter was 200 feet over your house and you had say 6 plants enough to keep you out of the commercial market for the year...

Would you hold and wait to see what happens, hold your ground or pull em?

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Frankly, a smart person wouldn't be growing them in the first place. Growing something that you know is illegal according to federal law and living in an area with a history of DEA searches is just asking for trouble. I don't think the feds will care how many plants you have. A bust is a bust.

[LeeE]

quote:

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Originally posted by PaulW

"<madcowprod.com/09102008.html>"

Let me rephrase that: reputable links, please. Not some guy with a website.

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I guess you didn't follow the links provided in the articles on his site as they link to mainstream media articles, ect. which confirm his info.

[Bullwinkle]

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/exec.html

the value of the hawaii crop being a conservative 1 billion - with a b dollars, the eradication program is not working per this survey

A billion dollars, in a state of a + - million residents ........... follow the money indeed

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/articl...+Las+Vegas

[MarkP]

If this is happening as regularly as many people claim then they should be getting pictures. Pictures are more valuable than anything else particularly if they show a consistent pattern.

I was in Eden Roc last weekend and for the first time I did see a helicopter circling low enough to make me wonder what was going on. Had it gone on all day instead of a few minutes I would have started to get p/o'd.

[PaulW]

"I guess you didn't follow the links provided in the articles on his site as they link to mainstream media articles, ect. which confirm his info."

Well, I've searched and searched and I can find one link that isn't to his own or similar conspiracy websites. It's a story in a Mexican newspaper that says that a plane that, in the past, was used by the CIA, crashed with cocaine on board. The plane had been sold, and it wasn't "registered to US political and governmental elites". I don't think the CIA is responsible for all future uses of any plane it uses.

It may well be true that the government is in the drug business, but where's the proof?
Even in the unlikely case that they're managing to censor all US newspapers, can they also censor every newspaper in the world? If not, where are the articles?

[Bullwinkle]

here is one article for you from wikipedia


Allegations of involvement with drug trafficking

During the early and mid 1980s, Lt. Col. North was alleged to participate in organizing the transportation of cocaine and marijuana from the various sites in Central and South America into the United States as a means of funding the Contra rebels. Congressional records show North was tasked with finding funding "outside the CIA" after the Boland Amendment cut off funding for the Contras in October, 1984.[9]

On February 10, 1986, Robert Owen, North’s liaison with the Contras, wrote North regarding a plane being used to carry "humanitarian aid" to the Contras that was previously used to transport drugs. The plane belonged to the Miami-based company Vortex, which is run by Michael Palmer, one of the largest marijuana traffickers in the United States. Despite Palmer's long history of drug smuggling, Palmer receives over $300,000 from the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Aid Office (NHAO)—an office overseen by Oliver North, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs Elliott Abrams, and CIA officer Alan Fiers — to ferry supplies to the Contras.[10]

During Manuel Noriega’s trial in 1991, pilot Floyd Carlton testified that his smuggling operation was flying weapons to the Contras at the same time he was flying dope to the United States. When Carlton's lawyer asked about Oliver North's knowledge of these flights, federal prosecutors vehemently objected, and U.S. judge William Hoeveler became angry. "Just stay away from it", the judge snapped, refusing to allow any more questions on the topic.[11]

Investigations into Lt. Col North's involvement have not been limited to the United States. One notable example is the second report of the Costa Rican Legislative Assembly's Commission on Narcotics Trafficking, which examined the explosion of cocaine trafficking in that country during the 1980s. After studying the involvement of Contras and U.S. officials with illegal arms running and drug trafficking, the commission recommended that former ambassador Lewis Tambs, CIA station chief Joseph F. Fernandez, and Lt. Col. Oliver North be forever denied entry in Costa Rica, a recommendation adopted by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias.[12]

North has consistently denied any involvement with drug trafficking, stating on Fox's Hannity and Colmes, "…nobody in the U.S. government, going all the way back to the earliest days of this under Jimmy Carter, ever had anything to do with running drugs."[13] Despite North's claims, Senator John Kerry's 1988 Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations found numerous references to drug trafficking within Mr. North's own notebooks (that North and the White House had substantially edited and censored). The Subcommittee reviewed 2,848 pages of spiral-bound notes taken by Mr. North between September, 1984 through November 1986 and concluded: "In reviewing these note-books, the Committee staff found a number of references to narcotics, terrorism and related matters which appeared relevant and material to the Subcommittee's inquiry.... the Notebooks do contain numerous reference to drugs, terrorism, and to the attempts of the Committee itself to investigate what North was doing in connection with his secret support of the Contras." Pages 145–147 of the Subcommittee's report directly quote 15 North notebook entries related to drug trafficking. An entry from July 12, 1985 states "$14 million to finance came from drugs".[14]

I would rather be educated than protected