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DWS Oxymoron
#11

Well, yes and no to all the above, imho.

Of course having Xmas lights up already (or, indeed, at all) can be interpreted as tacky, inappropriate via poor timing, a waste of electrical power and so on. Yet this could also be validly interpreted (at least in part) as businesses, employees, and a concerned community as a whole realizing if they do not have a very good holiday sales season at this critical juncture then they are going under. Closing down forever. Jobs lost. Homes foreclosed. Kids hungry. Some folks light candles in church while they are fervently praying for a miracle to save them and their children; others switch on holiday lighting around their storefront, govt office bldg, and home. Do we criticize the folks lighting candles in church while they pray?

On an altogether different vector of approach to the issue, this discussion has somewhat the same flavor as the "There are children starving in __(afflicted place)__ so we should not eat __(something tasty)__" argument. Similarly, the sentiment of "others-are-so-desperately-poor-and-lacking-in-clothing/housing/food/medical treatment so we should do without or at least feel guilty about enjoying access and abundance in those regards" is a kissing cousin of this outlook. In fact I am quite sympathetic to this common and compassionate perspective (and used to champion it quite a bit, myself), yet have come to think it may be somewhat naive in a few regards and --much, much, worse-- may even assist to perpetuate the cycle of lack and limitation which genuinely afflicts so many. Buying in to this notion may continue to breath life into it.

Why is it bad to have pretty lights around one's home or business? Such decoration thrills small children who are still in that early period where they know the world as a magical place; it may also delight small children who have decades of mileage on them, too. [Wink] If the Nazis were about to bomb us in London then I'd agree we should all sacrifice the lights so the Luftwaffe has a harder time accurately dropping bombs on us and would agree we should redirect the conserved electrical power and materiale toward the war effort, but thankfully enough this is not the case. Peak oil depletion Doom may be tapping its way up the sidewalk like a blind skeleton gripping a red-and-white cane, but it has not yet found our gate (and may never, if we collectively pull our head out of our butt so as to see the way to take effective measures against such happening).

Agreeing any frills beyond absolute bare minimum necessity are a decadent extravagance swiftly moves us into a grimly Soviet utilitarianism. Been to Russia recently? A great many people are conditioned to sacrifice much in day-to-day quality of life in the belief this is necessary for the good of everyone, while a very few enjoy jaw-dropping excess. This brainwashing which insists such sacrifice is necessary or disaster will befall everyone is a lie, of course, just like the lie that only petrochemicals will serve as an adequate energy source, but the masses have bought in and are enslaved to the narrative both conceptually and physically.

Rather than agreeing Xmas lights (...or church candles, or art museums, or dance performances, or any other "extravagances" unnecessary for mere survival) are to be scorned and eschewed in favor of a thrifty Calvinist frugality and plainness, I'd argue instead that a more worthy goal is to shift the paradigm so everyone, everywhere, can enjoy decorating their home, business, &/or govt office bldg with pretty lights and in doing so not marginalize or harm anyone else--including future generations--or the environment. And not just with regard to Xmas lights, either, but also food, shelter, medical care, and then all the rest which shifts away from life as mere survival and toward life as celebration.

Now, you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one....




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#12
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Originally posted by Devany

A real pet peeve of mine is Christmas decorations before Thanksgiving... in stores or homes. That is just tacky and too commercial. I do not mind if they leave them up into early January... but after that is also tacky.

Aloha au i Hawai`i,
devany

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www.eastbaypotters.blogspot.com



We decorate the house after Thanksgiving--either after dinner or the next day. But more importantly....we buy eggnog when preparing for T-Day dinner and have our first official "toast" after dinner is over!

Not sure how that will work this year, due to Tom's work schedule. But you can be sure eggnog will be on hand where ever we are!
Cynthia Hoskins, R(S)
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#13
Just want to point out that many people face earlier and earlier deadlines for mailing Christmas packages overseas to loved ones, many of whom are in the military serving far away from home. And since this is Hawaii, many of us have family in foreign countries. As one who has had to deal with this problem in the past, I appreciate being able to shop for them. Not everyone can afford FedEx and UPS; even USPS packages are costlier these days (but still a bargain when compared with other nations' postage rates).

Big Island homes have only been getting into the outside decorating craze in the last decade or so, with the influx of mainlanders. You hardly ever saw Puna homes with outdoor light displays before 1990 or even the year 2000. Thank goodness we now have LED lights that cut the drain on electrical power!
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#14
Alright Steven! ha ha You always do see the good in the other points of view! Speaking of that - when you coming this way?

-Cat
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#15


- when you coming this way?


Remember, remember, the fifth of November.... Soon, I hope, I will have yet another good reason to cherish the 5th of November, in addition to this date marking Guy Fawkes Night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

If not arriving on the fifth of November then it will be sometime soon thereafter, Goddess willing, depending on the arcana of flight schedules, paperwork for permits to bring the parrots along, and suchlike. I am looking forward to joining the Punaweb community in the flesh as well as in spirit, soon.


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#16
Now, you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one....

Now that makes my heart so happy!

mella l

mella l
Art and Science
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#17
alaskasteven,
Is your house done already?

Back on topic: Christmas loses all it's "specialness" when it's celebrated 1/6 of the year.
Puna: Our roosters crow first
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#18

alaskasteven,
Is your house done already?


Nah, as far as we can tell from long distance our contractor seems to be doing an excellent job with devoting much attention to detail; the trade-off for all the fine attention to detail is a completion date still being months away. 'Salright. This June our youngest graduated from high school and moved out of the parental unit's house into her brother's old apartment (just across the street from the local university, where she is doing great, all A's and B's in summer courses and Fall courses so far) so the parental units are free to come over to Puna as soon as the Anchorage house sale closes. We'll be staying at a little place we have in HPP while construction is ongoing on the other place (and saving money by doing the tilework ourselves!) Our lad (who just graduated from the Savannah College of Art & Design; we are very proud of him) is coming to Puna as well to assist us for awhile by camping out nights at the construction site while the crew is away. Like a true artist he tends to paint all night and sleep all day so finally that trait will actually come in handy.

Sorry for the temporary thread hijack, Cat!

Back on topic: I must be part raven because bright shiny things fascinate and delight me. In a perfect world I'd have a bazillion sparkly lights on every night of the year, not just at winter solstice.


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Astonishing skill! This archer is a real-life Legolas and then some!
http://geekologie.com/2013/11/real-life-...rs-anc.php

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#19
no worries, Steven!

got this back today from DWS:

Thank you for your concern over the Christmas lights being on at our Leilani Street baseyard. Please be advised that the lights were just being tested and are not intended to be on until after Thanksgiving. We at the Department of Water Supply share your concern about conservation. Mahalo.

Department of Water Supply
County of Hawai'i
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