01-02-2010, 07:03 AM
Hope,
you should leave your original post for people to see before criticizing the response and rewriting what it was. It really is not good netiquette to remove the original post in such a way that it makes the replies look bad. I quoted some of your post in my post above.
Your logic is faulty here and I'm sorry to see that you won't rethink it. When the right shoulder is OPEN it is a functioning lane and safe to use, and everyone is aware of the situation. When the shoulder is NOT OPEN it is not expected to be used and so it is a hazard to use it. On the west side, there is now a big wide shoulder/bike lane along Queen Ka'ahumanu Highway. It is still completely illegal to pass on the right. People do not check for vehicles passing on the right because it is ILLEGAL. When the shoulder is open, slow traffic is supposed to get over so that faster traffic can pass on the LEFT.
We live on an island where many oldtimers are in a rural mindset, and where we have visitors who want to dawdle, and where some people have cars that barely go. You ask about it taking a long time to drive to work ... YES, you have to share the road as it is and with the existing drivers, not as you wish it would be with everyone going to work and focused on getting there. You live in an area of very high unemployment where a lot of people don't even know what it's like to have to get to work.
In California, when people commute to work, everyone in the pack knows the drill. It is also common for people to take any advantage they can to make a little progress. HERE, you cannot! It is not cool. It is not safe.
I'm sorry you object to the idea of "signing on." But please. You knew there was no County water, and you would have catchment. That's what I mean by signing on. Things a person should know about the place in advance that factor in when making the decision. Anyone buying in Seaview should know that there are two lane roads, and if you try driving the two lane roads here, you soon learn that the slow drivers can significantly increase transit time. Anywhere you consider moving where you may need to commute to work, you should drive that commute before you commit, numerous times to get a good sampling, and see if you can take it. If you do not, then you didn't do your due diligence and you "signed on" by default, because now you have to accept it. The traffic from Seaview will probably get worse before it gets better, as Puna's population increases, and I know I saw the distance from Hilo as a drawback when I looked at homes down there. I knew if I lived there that I would have a different lifestyle and not go to Hilo so much.
Something else to think about - for many people in both lower Puna and Volcano, people who move here from the mainland and choose to live in the more remote communities while working in town, bringing the "bedroom community" lifestyle to a rural area centered around smaller villages - are seen as a problem spoiling their lifestyle. A lot of people have bad feelings towards people who do what you're doing. This is not California where people make long commutes a lifestyle. People don't appreciate that the once quiet roads are now bumper to bumper at certain times of day.
Your lifestyle is part of the problem for your new community, and here you are blaming the people who drive in the traditional fashion for not getting out of your way, and asking approval of a method of making better time by flagrantly breaking the Hawai'i traffic laws.
As for the HPP analogy, YES people who move to HPP should be aware they are taking on a risk of burglary, but there's something they can do about it - participate in Neighborhood Watch and take other security measures. Traffic is a much more intransigent condition. It will take a lot of people agreeing to widen the road before anything much changes, and it may not happen, and the funds may not be there, and the road work will make it worse before it gets better. That's the reality. People are not assuming the worst; they are giving you a reality check that you seem to need in this area,
you should leave your original post for people to see before criticizing the response and rewriting what it was. It really is not good netiquette to remove the original post in such a way that it makes the replies look bad. I quoted some of your post in my post above.
Your logic is faulty here and I'm sorry to see that you won't rethink it. When the right shoulder is OPEN it is a functioning lane and safe to use, and everyone is aware of the situation. When the shoulder is NOT OPEN it is not expected to be used and so it is a hazard to use it. On the west side, there is now a big wide shoulder/bike lane along Queen Ka'ahumanu Highway. It is still completely illegal to pass on the right. People do not check for vehicles passing on the right because it is ILLEGAL. When the shoulder is open, slow traffic is supposed to get over so that faster traffic can pass on the LEFT.
We live on an island where many oldtimers are in a rural mindset, and where we have visitors who want to dawdle, and where some people have cars that barely go. You ask about it taking a long time to drive to work ... YES, you have to share the road as it is and with the existing drivers, not as you wish it would be with everyone going to work and focused on getting there. You live in an area of very high unemployment where a lot of people don't even know what it's like to have to get to work.
In California, when people commute to work, everyone in the pack knows the drill. It is also common for people to take any advantage they can to make a little progress. HERE, you cannot! It is not cool. It is not safe.
I'm sorry you object to the idea of "signing on." But please. You knew there was no County water, and you would have catchment. That's what I mean by signing on. Things a person should know about the place in advance that factor in when making the decision. Anyone buying in Seaview should know that there are two lane roads, and if you try driving the two lane roads here, you soon learn that the slow drivers can significantly increase transit time. Anywhere you consider moving where you may need to commute to work, you should drive that commute before you commit, numerous times to get a good sampling, and see if you can take it. If you do not, then you didn't do your due diligence and you "signed on" by default, because now you have to accept it. The traffic from Seaview will probably get worse before it gets better, as Puna's population increases, and I know I saw the distance from Hilo as a drawback when I looked at homes down there. I knew if I lived there that I would have a different lifestyle and not go to Hilo so much.
Something else to think about - for many people in both lower Puna and Volcano, people who move here from the mainland and choose to live in the more remote communities while working in town, bringing the "bedroom community" lifestyle to a rural area centered around smaller villages - are seen as a problem spoiling their lifestyle. A lot of people have bad feelings towards people who do what you're doing. This is not California where people make long commutes a lifestyle. People don't appreciate that the once quiet roads are now bumper to bumper at certain times of day.
Your lifestyle is part of the problem for your new community, and here you are blaming the people who drive in the traditional fashion for not getting out of your way, and asking approval of a method of making better time by flagrantly breaking the Hawai'i traffic laws.
As for the HPP analogy, YES people who move to HPP should be aware they are taking on a risk of burglary, but there's something they can do about it - participate in Neighborhood Watch and take other security measures. Traffic is a much more intransigent condition. It will take a lot of people agreeing to widen the road before anything much changes, and it may not happen, and the funds may not be there, and the road work will make it worse before it gets better. That's the reality. People are not assuming the worst; they are giving you a reality check that you seem to need in this area,
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