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...she herself sits in front of Cash and Carry selling leis.
Hmmm. Is selling something that you (and/or your family members) made (for generations) for people's pleasure (locals and tourists alike) the same as just plain standing on the street accosting passersby for cash?
I dunno.
Maybe it is.
No... it's not even close to being the same.
I just find it ironic that she would be the one to push the panhandling bill.
It's a bill that hurts the lowest income levels and I'm suprised by her decision to sponsor it, considering her stance on some of the other issues.
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I do not think it is the same. Selling crafts is much different than panhandling.
A minor correction in the article though. This bill was not at the request of Pahoa Mainstreet Assoc. I am on that BoD and the subject of panhandling has never been discussed.
The bill is apparently at the request of one or more business owners in Pahoa Village, some of whom are members of Mainstreet Pahoa Assoc. so there is a little confusion in the press on this.
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Aloha kakou!
Before someone reads this post and tries to nail me as a self-centered, self-rightous, cold-hearted b**t**d (which you can still do no matter what I say) - I truly express these opinions with Aloha.
As "Aunty Lele" wrote:
Aloha is strong - it survives brutality and abuse.
Aloha is unconditional - it loves the unlovable.
Aloha is steadfast - it continues to cherish, even when assailed.
Aloha is forgiving - it accepts what has happened and moves on.
Aloha is healing - it does not remain in a space of pain, but finds solutions to problems and implements them.
Aloha is responsible - it recognizes the interconnections between all creation.
Dictionary.com does make a distinction between "panhandling" and "begging".
pan·han·dle
to accost passers-by on the street and beg from them.
to accost and beg from.
to obtain by accosting and begging from someone.
beg
to ask for as a gift, as charity, or as a favor
to ask alms or charity
to ask humbly or earnestly
I do not like the idea of anyone having to "beg" for anything - BUT - when was the last time you actually came across someone actually "begging" - that humble, heart wrenching, need for something - food (will eat anything), clothing (will wear anything), shelter (will sleep under any safe roof), tolerance, a kind embrace!
Panhandling is TOTALLY different. It is to "ACCOST" someone.
ac·cost
to confront boldly
Jobs have nothing to do with panhandling.
Homelessness has nothing to do with panhandling.
Lack of food, clothing has nothing to do with panhandling.
Lack of tolerance and a kind embrace MIGHT have something to do with panhandling.
Panhandling is the easiest, laziest way for someone to secure MONEY - not for the things they NEED but the things they WANT!
It is the acceptance of panhandling that encourages it.
'O wau no me ka mahalo,
Joey
A need is a material thing - it has substance.
A want is an emotional thought to be weighed with the need for it.
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don't want to give, just say no
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READ the ordinance, not just some news clips, they are talking about aggressive panhandling! Once you READ the actual ordinance you'll see exactly what this is about.
And so now we will be using our tax dollar funded police to crack down on another "Serious" crime, while we have property crimes happening all over the place.[B)]
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Bob, is this to say the ordinance won't ban the passive selling of leis, or crafts etc in a non aggrssive manner?
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