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I don't know about the post above, but in downtown Keaau (that is above all of the public Keaau schools), there are usually 2-4 helicopters going out & coming back every hour...every day, during daylight hours...usually starting at 8am & wrapping up at 6pm... on boat days there are more per hour & on 2 boat days there are even more...so it would be easy to have that number, even more... esp if counting each flight out & back as 2 overflights...
When they are flying high..it is noise, when they are flying lower than 1000' is can be a rumbling bother...below 500' is truly a humbug...esp when all of the neighbor dogs & such go crazy from the rotor air waves...Do I really think anything will change? only if it costs tourism $$$ (ie - bad tourist publicity, or worse...)
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They fly over my property in orchid land 10 + times a day on a slow day - going and coming
I thought they already were supposed to stay away from homes ... while I support the petition I also just want the current laws to actually be enforced
There's one flying over as I type this ironically.
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Who can hear the helicopters over the dogs, roosters, meth heads, and parrots?
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I suspect the helicopters fly over my place in Eden Roc 20-40 times a day as I'm toward the back end and only 3 miles or so as the crow flies from Pu'u'o'o (if you live dangerously you can hike there and back in a long morning, of course now someone has posted signs saying "if you hike here, we can send you to jail for 2 years"). Anyway, I agree with terracore, the helicopters are a minor annoyance compared to random people shooting pigs or whatever at 3am, dogs barking non stop all night or roosters crowing at 4am. I'd imagine if helicopters flying at the legal altitude bother someone, then cocqui frogs must drive them insane (I find them a peaceful background noise when I go to bed).
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20-40 flights lol
I live in the direct line between the airport and the lava flow/Pu'u O'o.... in upper Hawaiian acres... and never see more than 10-15/day, but its often less than that...
And those that are startled by something that gradually gets louder needs their head examined, these choppers fly a straight line and slowly get louder, then slower get quieter, thats the way sound work, there is no sonic boom!
The green harvest ones are far more annoying because they do circles for an hour at times and the sound goes up down up down and they are 3-4X lower... plus I have to go move my 2,000++ damn plants too and thats very annoying lol
peacock owners, and them cockfightin'fakas with 50+ roosters, and those moke hunting kooks that seem to think they need 25 dogs to track a pig, are the ones you need to vent against.... but Im sure HPP dont have them because 1 acre owning ex-mainlanders dont partake in these 'sports'
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Funny how people dismiss the reality of other people just because they don't experience it themselves.
If you get less than 15 flights/day, GREAT for you! The less you see means MORE for someone else.
I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy (well, maybe I would), the point is, YOUR experience may not be the same
as others. If I had less than 10/day, I'd consider that peaceful. Try quadrupling that flight count and tell me
you wouldn't be just a little annoyed.
I've had FAA FSDO inspectors at my house, DOCUMENTED 17 flight in under 2 hours. This is just ONE day.
This much is clear: The tactic these companies use is a simple numbers game. Fly very narrow corridors to upset the least amount of
people while enduring complaints from a relative few. Over time, they either get tired of complaining or are deemed "sensitive" and
eventually ignored. The fact that there is a disparity of over-flight counts over any given area that they COULD fly over, seems to support this.
This isn't a new tactic, happens in the mainland all the time.
BTW, coqui's have never bothered me, they aren't making money at my expense.
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quote: having helicopters fly 1/2 mile offshore is a death sentence to the passengers should an engine fail -- very unlikely but still.
because lava is softer than water?
quote: Helicopters were here before I was (they were on Maui as well).... seems unfair to shut them down
Gee, that factory was spewing carcinogens into the air and water before I came along...seems unfair to shut them down.
We recently talked to someone at the FAA who said they've NEVER had a complaint about helicopter noise. Since we had complained in the past, that sounds like...a lie? Of course the first time we complained, the FAA person said that the helicopters don't have to follow any rules about altitude or where to fly.
Helicopters here are allowed to fly lower than the minimum altitude if it's cloudy--at their discretion. That kind of rule makes sense for critical flights, like medevac, but these flights are recreational. It's like saying, here are the rules, but you don't have to follow them.
When the dog barks, or roosters crow, or the 'copters pass,
Loud music and noisy mynahs irk me off my a$$
Lil' frogs coqui-ing, neighbors argue-ing,
Ev-er-y one is my least favorite th-ing!
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I signed it.
A friend filmed and edited together almost 60 overflights at his house on xmas day. That's waaaay too much by nearly anyone's (at least who has replied) standards.
Here's a link to the air tour manual, for those interested.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/fiel...n_proc.pdf
See Appendix A, page 11 for Big Isle info.
I agree that it's the enforcement of these guidelines that is lacking - though personally I'd also like to see them modified (and for the record, an FAA rep told me the same thing). The FAA is conducting regular surveillance here now, on air tour operators. And beginning to enforce these laws, in part due to complaints from residents (via petitions, phone calls, letters...).
I don't recall the exact number, but I do recall reading that the big island has a huge number of approved flights per year. I'll see if I can find that info.
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When we moved here, the lava flow was not in the area it is in now, and there were hardly any helicopters, the lava flow moved & most helicopter companies prefer a route now that goes right over the downtown area of Keaau...
I do know that this route will change if/when the flow changes, and the flights were few when the lava has ceased & a lot more when the lava curtains were spewing...
It would make sense for Hawaii to deal with this issue so that ALL parties are involved & have an equal voice, and equally transparent means... but there is also the issue that I really doubt anyone posting here would LIKE to have 20, 40, 60 or more overflights each & everyday... And yet there are many here who do have this many, and have had for the last few years
And if you want the real bummer, most of my neighbors have lived in the houses they built here in the 50's, WAY before the helicopters & the lava were anything... they have lived here when the traffic jams to see Kilaeua Iki went back almost to Keaau...For them it is all a bother...but they know al of this will come & go...and that the helicopters are only here for the $$$ & the county will do more for them for the $$$$ and we will get some tax money to pay for some things...but the reality is that the tour companies will only do what they have to do if there is legislation placed & like with Kealakakua, the big money tour companies will not be touched by any of it...just the smaller guys...
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quote: Originally posted by Lee M-S
quote: having helicopters fly 1/2 mile offshore is a death sentence to the passengers should an engine fail -- very unlikely but still.
because lava is softer than water?
quote: Helicopters were here before I was (they were on Maui as well).... seems unfair to shut them down
Gee, that factory was spewing carcinogens into the air and water before I came along...seems unfair to shut them down.
Thanks LEE, I was trying to find these words without offending everyone and their mother.
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